I’m late to this recording. But the whole “nobody’s interested in that” garbage?
That’s the narcissism speaking. Narcissists believe, because of their megalomaniacal worldviews, that if they don’t want to talk about something that no one would matters (or should matter) wants to talk about it, either.
I’ve seen it play out IRL when the narcissist in question was either being ignored or was getting unwanted attention paid to some failing of theirs.
I think David French’s point is the right one - MAGA have been so isolated, so brainwashed, so deluded & so removed from reality, because of their exclusive news diet of Fox News only, that it really is the first time a tiny inkling of sunlight is seeping thru. That a tiny realisation is rising that maybe…Trump is a liar. That’s he’s lied about everything from the start. If the Epstein files are a hoax - then either Trump was duped or he knew it was lies all along - but still campaigned on it. Either way it’s not a good state of affairs.
David French made some great points over the last few days, especially about the religious nature of Trump's cult and how he is their imperfect leader to bring them to better times, paradoxically both victim and vanquisher, a trope of many Biblical characters.
It's not the FOX demo who is going to fall away. FOX is state TV and will push whatever narrative the WH tells them to push. But the FOX audience is shrinking, not growing, as it is with all cable news. It's the younger and newer Trump cohorts, the pod bros, the Qanon and Q-adjacent grifters who thought Trump would "save the children," the terminal conspirazoids like Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson who can no longer square the circle.
The whole bread and butter of the social media / podcast Trump cohort is challenging the accepted narrative. That's why Charlie Kirk got ratioed so hard when he said that he'll "trust my friends in the Administration." Charlie Kirk trusts the government now?
Those who choose to ride the tiger more often than not get eaten.
Trump's superpower dealing with the the gnarliest controversies is to go on offense and own the libs with it. He could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and not lose any supporters. He cheats on his taxes? That makes him smart. Somebody gives you an airplane, you take it. He didn't rape E Jean Carroll because she's not his type (implying that maybe he would have if she was).
What Trump wants to do more than anything in the world right now is to say "Yeah, I fucked 13-year-old girls. It was _great._ And you all want to do that too, don't kid yourselves."
Watching the light bulb go on for at least some MAGAe is not unlike people deconstructing from religion. Once the first support beam gives way, the questions start crashing down. If Trump is lying about the Epstein 'hoax', as he clearly is, how many other 'hoaxes' is he lying about?
It's too early to tell if this is finally the thing that brings MAGA down. There's often a reflexive retreat to the safety of the group following the initial questioning. But the doubts remain. And they continue to gnaw away at your confidence in what you once believed. And the truth becomes harder to ignore......
Regarding Charlie's question what QAnon/MAGA was thinking when confronted with all of the pictures of Trump and Epstein together: Judging by QAnon iconography, Trump might very well be taken into Heaven bodily. Time travel into the future to work undercover saving the children is entirely within the realm of their possibility.
Totally DELUSIONAL...So ego centered about every action he takes...( I'm gonna take my toys and go home...) so psychopathic, so uneducated, so narcisstic...what more can we say??? EXCEPT we have yelled this since before 2016!!! If you buy into his idiousy you are complicit...especially the STUPID part..It's always been there..so his followers have been incredibly delusional....can they wake up??? We'll see... My sister DIED thinking he was wonderful...people we THINK are intelligent still hanging on to his " wonderfulness" YIKES!!!
Oh...right...we're STILL talking about Epstein...and all our conjectures...DUH!!!! If the INSURGENCE the felon CREATED wasn't enough??? WHAT the F*** more do we need???
Alligator Auschwitz. Btw, On Netflix, one can now view Five Back: The Reference Films. The first one documents the Nazi Concentration Camps from the 1930s/40s.
THIS is something Trump is doing again. Don't let him get away with it.
Sharing this here to see what everybody else thinks about this
These guys lay out a very good case that all of this is being done to set up and gear up to get Maxwell out of jail
If there is no files and now he’s calling it a hoax then she was prosecuted unjustly?
One of the victims that came forth as an adult detailing Maxwell’s behavior and treatment toward her grooming, her Virginia Giuffre would have to testify again
This poor young woman was found dead this year and it was reported as a suicide.
Everyone should listen to this it could be what’s going on
MAGA are shocked, shocked I say that Trump thinks Epstein is a hoax? Well, pucker my sphincter !
So great to see Rick with Charlie; I was so bummed when he left The Bulwark. Charlie and Rick are so good together, two OG Never Trumpers (both with scabrous senses of humor, Charlie's filtered through his Wisconsin Nice, Rick's bless-your-heart Southern) having a meeting of the minds.
I'm developing a rather cynical take on this and I may get some pushback here, which is okay. I think that young women have gravitated around powerful and charismatic men for all of human history. If we were to take Kirsten Gillibrand's puritanical view of #metoo, then every single male member of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ought to be expunged for having sex with underage girls. Every. Single. One. You love Paul McCartney? He's dripping with pedo baggage, ladies. Because that's what happened in the 50s, 60s and 70s; it was called groupie culture and we didn't have much of a problem with it. This is also the world that Donald Trump grew up in (even worse in the 80s with party drugs), the time when America was "great" that he wants to bring back.
There are more-or-less informal prostitution rings that accrue around every gathering of powerful men. I'm sure there's one in Davos. Doubtless as we speak at Mar-a-Lago. Christ, whenever CPAC rolls into town, Grindr blows up and goes down. That's gay prostitution (LOL), but still.
Only in the past 30 years or so has society begun to wrestle hard with questions of coercion and agency when it comes to sex, and society has decided, quite rightly, that coerced sex is wrong and consent is impossible with minors. MAGA, of course, doesn't give a shit about this. There are some red states where you can marry a 14-year-old "woman." This to them is all woke, male shaming metoo bullshit. They just want to see Bill Clinton, Bill Gates and George Soros strung up.
You'll notice in all the recent Epstein fracas that not a single woman has come forward to tell their story. For the women who were twentysomething when they let Epstein play musical beds with them and his older male buddies, this was doubtless a pretty embarrassing time of their lives, but also hard to make a legal case out of. For the underage girls who were groomed and trafficked, the experience was traumatizing and seeking justice for it is almost worse because of the media scrutiny and the re-traumatization of telling their stories on the witness stand. Who wants to wind up with a lifetime of PTSD from it and take their own life like poor Virginia Giuffre?
So MAGA's perverted, misogynistic version of #metoo is not about the women, folks.
What's grinding Trump and MAGA into fine dust particles that have to be disposed of in a lined landfill by guys in hazmat suits is that they don't believe in their hearts that the conduct is wrong. They're misogynists dedicated to the idea that women should serve men. Many of them live in states where what we civilized would call underage sex is legally sanctioned by matrimony. Trump is gobsmacked in his heart that people would think fucking his friends' wives is wrong. That's why it's so easy for him to push this off on some kind of wildly implausible Democratic plot, all those metoo feminazis and soyboys clamoring about women's rights. But he lost the plot of the last 30 years, that even MAGA has now developed a gag reflex with statutory rape of underaged girls.
And he'll never convince MAGA to let go of that bone. It was never a sincere bone, just a hook on which to hang another Deep State conspiracy. But a dog doesn't let go once they've got the taste.
Perfect! They’ve been doing the empty binder thing for awhile now though, right?
We all need to say “cognitive dissonance,” click our ruby slippers together and turn around three times and God-willing we might find ourselves back in Kansas again.
I think it's reasonable to suspect that highly placed democrats very much like Andrew Cuomo could be implicated in the Epstein files giving them common cause with Trump to obstruct justice for child victims of rape and abuse. I am afraid that any reasonable strategy by democrats to release evidence will give Trump possible exit strategies of destroying any evidence that implicates him. Hope for loyal career FBI agents to uncover the truth.
I’m late to this recording. But the whole “nobody’s interested in that” garbage?
That’s the narcissism speaking. Narcissists believe, because of their megalomaniacal worldviews, that if they don’t want to talk about something that no one would matters (or should matter) wants to talk about it, either.
I’ve seen it play out IRL when the narcissist in question was either being ignored or was getting unwanted attention paid to some failing of theirs.
It tracks, doesn’t it?
I think David French’s point is the right one - MAGA have been so isolated, so brainwashed, so deluded & so removed from reality, because of their exclusive news diet of Fox News only, that it really is the first time a tiny inkling of sunlight is seeping thru. That a tiny realisation is rising that maybe…Trump is a liar. That’s he’s lied about everything from the start. If the Epstein files are a hoax - then either Trump was duped or he knew it was lies all along - but still campaigned on it. Either way it’s not a good state of affairs.
David French made some great points over the last few days, especially about the religious nature of Trump's cult and how he is their imperfect leader to bring them to better times, paradoxically both victim and vanquisher, a trope of many Biblical characters.
It's not the FOX demo who is going to fall away. FOX is state TV and will push whatever narrative the WH tells them to push. But the FOX audience is shrinking, not growing, as it is with all cable news. It's the younger and newer Trump cohorts, the pod bros, the Qanon and Q-adjacent grifters who thought Trump would "save the children," the terminal conspirazoids like Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson who can no longer square the circle.
The whole bread and butter of the social media / podcast Trump cohort is challenging the accepted narrative. That's why Charlie Kirk got ratioed so hard when he said that he'll "trust my friends in the Administration." Charlie Kirk trusts the government now?
Those who choose to ride the tiger more often than not get eaten.
Great show! Love you guys as a duo!
Trump's superpower dealing with the the gnarliest controversies is to go on offense and own the libs with it. He could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and not lose any supporters. He cheats on his taxes? That makes him smart. Somebody gives you an airplane, you take it. He didn't rape E Jean Carroll because she's not his type (implying that maybe he would have if she was).
What Trump wants to do more than anything in the world right now is to say "Yeah, I fucked 13-year-old girls. It was _great._ And you all want to do that too, don't kid yourselves."
But he can't :(
The red hat now means pedo.
Watching the light bulb go on for at least some MAGAe is not unlike people deconstructing from religion. Once the first support beam gives way, the questions start crashing down. If Trump is lying about the Epstein 'hoax', as he clearly is, how many other 'hoaxes' is he lying about?
It's too early to tell if this is finally the thing that brings MAGA down. There's often a reflexive retreat to the safety of the group following the initial questioning. But the doubts remain. And they continue to gnaw away at your confidence in what you once believed. And the truth becomes harder to ignore......
Regarding Charlie's question what QAnon/MAGA was thinking when confronted with all of the pictures of Trump and Epstein together: Judging by QAnon iconography, Trump might very well be taken into Heaven bodily. Time travel into the future to work undercover saving the children is entirely within the realm of their possibility.
Like Mormons but less polite.
Totally DELUSIONAL...So ego centered about every action he takes...( I'm gonna take my toys and go home...) so psychopathic, so uneducated, so narcisstic...what more can we say??? EXCEPT we have yelled this since before 2016!!! If you buy into his idiousy you are complicit...especially the STUPID part..It's always been there..so his followers have been incredibly delusional....can they wake up??? We'll see... My sister DIED thinking he was wonderful...people we THINK are intelligent still hanging on to his " wonderfulness" YIKES!!!
Oh...right...we're STILL talking about Epstein...and all our conjectures...DUH!!!! If the INSURGENCE the felon CREATED wasn't enough??? WHAT the F*** more do we need???
This is a good segment from Erin Burnett
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPeZAmLMeU8
As one of the gentleman says Trump calling this Epstein issue a hoax is so outrageous and disrespectful to the over 1000 victims of Jeffrey Epstein
Erin.
Thanks!
https://abcnews.go.com/US/maurene-comey-fired-doj-southern-district-new-york/story?id=123817739
Comeys daughter worked on Epstein case fired
What a Big Baby.
Alligator Auschwitz. Btw, On Netflix, one can now view Five Back: The Reference Films. The first one documents the Nazi Concentration Camps from the 1930s/40s.
THIS is something Trump is doing again. Don't let him get away with it.
Ever Ghraib. Wait for it.....
Sharing this here to see what everybody else thinks about this
These guys lay out a very good case that all of this is being done to set up and gear up to get Maxwell out of jail
If there is no files and now he’s calling it a hoax then she was prosecuted unjustly?
One of the victims that came forth as an adult detailing Maxwell’s behavior and treatment toward her grooming, her Virginia Giuffre would have to testify again
This poor young woman was found dead this year and it was reported as a suicide.
Everyone should listen to this it could be what’s going on
https://open.substack.com/pub/meidastouch/p/meidas-pod-on-maga-cover-up-of-trump?r=eit6y&utm_medium=ios
MAGA are shocked, shocked I say that Trump thinks Epstein is a hoax? Well, pucker my sphincter !
So great to see Rick with Charlie; I was so bummed when he left The Bulwark. Charlie and Rick are so good together, two OG Never Trumpers (both with scabrous senses of humor, Charlie's filtered through his Wisconsin Nice, Rick's bless-your-heart Southern) having a meeting of the minds.
I'm developing a rather cynical take on this and I may get some pushback here, which is okay. I think that young women have gravitated around powerful and charismatic men for all of human history. If we were to take Kirsten Gillibrand's puritanical view of #metoo, then every single male member of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ought to be expunged for having sex with underage girls. Every. Single. One. You love Paul McCartney? He's dripping with pedo baggage, ladies. Because that's what happened in the 50s, 60s and 70s; it was called groupie culture and we didn't have much of a problem with it. This is also the world that Donald Trump grew up in (even worse in the 80s with party drugs), the time when America was "great" that he wants to bring back.
There are more-or-less informal prostitution rings that accrue around every gathering of powerful men. I'm sure there's one in Davos. Doubtless as we speak at Mar-a-Lago. Christ, whenever CPAC rolls into town, Grindr blows up and goes down. That's gay prostitution (LOL), but still.
Only in the past 30 years or so has society begun to wrestle hard with questions of coercion and agency when it comes to sex, and society has decided, quite rightly, that coerced sex is wrong and consent is impossible with minors. MAGA, of course, doesn't give a shit about this. There are some red states where you can marry a 14-year-old "woman." This to them is all woke, male shaming metoo bullshit. They just want to see Bill Clinton, Bill Gates and George Soros strung up.
You'll notice in all the recent Epstein fracas that not a single woman has come forward to tell their story. For the women who were twentysomething when they let Epstein play musical beds with them and his older male buddies, this was doubtless a pretty embarrassing time of their lives, but also hard to make a legal case out of. For the underage girls who were groomed and trafficked, the experience was traumatizing and seeking justice for it is almost worse because of the media scrutiny and the re-traumatization of telling their stories on the witness stand. Who wants to wind up with a lifetime of PTSD from it and take their own life like poor Virginia Giuffre?
So MAGA's perverted, misogynistic version of #metoo is not about the women, folks.
What's grinding Trump and MAGA into fine dust particles that have to be disposed of in a lined landfill by guys in hazmat suits is that they don't believe in their hearts that the conduct is wrong. They're misogynists dedicated to the idea that women should serve men. Many of them live in states where what we civilized would call underage sex is legally sanctioned by matrimony. Trump is gobsmacked in his heart that people would think fucking his friends' wives is wrong. That's why it's so easy for him to push this off on some kind of wildly implausible Democratic plot, all those metoo feminazis and soyboys clamoring about women's rights. But he lost the plot of the last 30 years, that even MAGA has now developed a gag reflex with statutory rape of underaged girls.
And he'll never convince MAGA to let go of that bone. It was never a sincere bone, just a hook on which to hang another Deep State conspiracy. But a dog doesn't let go once they've got the taste.
It's always interested me that juveniles can be charged with all sorts of crimes*--murder, fraud, etc.--except solicitation for prostitution.
*Dealt with in juvenile justice system.
“The Ur-Conspiracy theory!!”
Perfect! They’ve been doing the empty binder thing for awhile now though, right?
We all need to say “cognitive dissonance,” click our ruby slippers together and turn around three times and God-willing we might find ourselves back in Kansas again.
I think it's reasonable to suspect that highly placed democrats very much like Andrew Cuomo could be implicated in the Epstein files giving them common cause with Trump to obstruct justice for child victims of rape and abuse. I am afraid that any reasonable strategy by democrats to release evidence will give Trump possible exit strategies of destroying any evidence that implicates him. Hope for loyal career FBI agents to uncover the truth.
Two of my favorites on Substack!! Do this more, please.