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Matthew's avatar

Let’s not forget the take that Trump paid off some kid to off some of his supporters to make him look like a hero. He’s a fucking fascist people

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Bob McKeown's avatar

That take is eminently forgettable. You're gonna trust the shot not to hit you from a kid who didn't make his high school rifle team?

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Simon Turkel's avatar

THANK YOU, MR. WILSON. I AM RELIEVED TO HEAR YOUR CLEAR THINKING. THANK YOU.

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Sean's avatar

You are a genuine piece of shit. You MUST know that on a gut level.

Not long ago u said the donor class must "put a bullet in Donald Trump."

Still stand by this, Sloth? (Google Goonies if ur confused)

C'mon, tough guy! Double down!

You CERTAINLY weren't on the list of people trying to feverishly re-attach their mask of decency, declaring "pOlItIcAL vIoLeNcE hAs nO pLacE.." & wishing DJT a "speedy recovery", right?

C'mon! Say something else so funny &edgy then blame what happened on anything but the"DJT is LITERALLY HITLER rhetoric ofbthe last 9yrs (and we allll know the thought exercise about what u would do if u had a chance to k**l baby Hitler, right? I mean even if it's a baby at the time.. I mean.. ITS HITLER!!)

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Bob McKeown's avatar

If I went back in time I wouldn't kill baby Hitler. I'd _kidnap_ baby Hitler and raise him humanely in a foster home to give him the love and understanding he never got from his uptight, rigid parents. I wouldn't encourage him to have a career as a fine artist, though. I mean, he kinda sucked at that ;)

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Bob McKeown's avatar

It's really funny to see somebody who thumb types like a teenager after too much Mountain Dew invoke masks of decency. Speaking of masks, maybe you ought to try to put a bag over your head. Who knows, it might improve your social life, LOL

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Bob McKeown's avatar

Sean, if I were you, I wouldn't even bother. You are hopelessly outclassed here. Political rhetoric has been filled with combat metaphors from sports and warfare since politics existed. I'm going to bestow upon you the dignity of assuming that even _you_ are not stupid enough not to know that. You're welcome in advance ;) Rick has never advocated for political violence _literally._

Trump is a Hitler wannabe. His first wife Ivana wrote in her book that he had a book of Hitler's speeches on a table by the bed. Chief of staff John Kelly has noted the times he said that Hitler did "good things for Germany" and claimed that he wished "his" generals would be as loyal as Hitler's were. Which produced HOWLS OF LAUGHTER from historians who note how many goddamn times Hitler's generals tried to assassinate him ;)

Trump is a Hitler fetishist who craves absolute power. Facts.

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Bob McKeown's avatar

You know me, Janet, I live for friendly, vigorous debate and discussion with people. Even when I strongly disagree, like I do with Rick on guns, I like to keep it entirely civil and in good faith. But I also _adore_ me some good ol' fashioned troll thwackery ;)

"Sean" made it so easy. When your profile is an eighth-grade insult of Rick Wilson that you butcher with a typo, I mean, that's just comedy gold ;)

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Bob McKeown's avatar

You knew he wouldn't be back. There was one who was much worse, "Jack" over on the last thread, who sounds like a refugee from Schmidt's substack and wrote long disquisitions laced with passive aggressive ad hominem about how Biden has no choice but to drop out. I get very easily sucked into putting way too much time into responding to those.

I started responding to his last post by quoting whole paragraphs and taking them on point-by-point. The response was going to be absolutely enormous and I figured I'd post it on my substack. But Chrome is weird; if you click back to a tab not exactly in the right place, it will close and I lost a good 45 minutes of work. Which, actually, was a good thing. Just let that big, insufferable post stand there at the top of the thread with no responses.

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Amy Swanson Salmon's avatar

Excellent ! Thanks 🙏

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Jaime Ramirez's avatar

Trump definitely didn't get hit by a bullet & it's doubtful he got hit by glass, either. There was practically no damage to the ear. Probably none at all. It was all an act. No red stain anywhere besides his ear & a bit of his right cheek. He was covered by the Secret Service so that no one could see Trump as they applied the red liquid to his ear & face. No one was concerned about his condition or safety. Shoes, a fist pump, photo ops & his calls of "fight fight fight" took priority.

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Bob McKeown's avatar

Keith Olbermann says that according to Ronny Jackson -- not exactly the greatest source to be sure -- he treated Trump afterwards and said that his outer ear was damaged by a bullet shard. We don't have to take his word for it (and who would want to) because it's empirical. Either Trump takes off the bandage in a few days and his ear is ripped or else it's nonsense. If it's not nonsense then he'd have to take some time off the trail for cosmetic surgery.

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Sean's avatar

Even if he did u clowns would never accept it.

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Bob McKeown's avatar

Ooh look, everybody, a _troll_ to play with. A troll whose profile announces "I am a troll. Please kick me in the nuts." No, it's you annelid brains who don't accept empirical reality. If Trump's ear was torn we'd go, okay, Trump's ear is torn.

That's how it works in RealityLand. You ought to visit sometime ;)

Oh, and you meant to write in your profile "a stubbed toe" not "stubbed to." You're welcome ;)

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Molly Ciliberti's avatar

Many People saw the man on the roof with a long gun. Probably not the bullet but glass from teleprompter hit Trumps ear, he was awfully defiant in the face of a shooter (but wouldn't be unusual if he knew there was going to be a fake assassination attempt), the other bullets hit people not where you would expect.... But either way, Vance wants to be president and thinks Trump is an idiot but an useful idiot. If Vance is VP to Trump and Trump dies, then Vance has the presidency. What do others think?

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Bob McKeown's avatar

The "fake assassination" is an unhelpful conspiracy theory. It doesn't remotely stand to reason. If that were actually planned, they wouldn't rely on a gun nut kid with an AR but a highly trained professional with a sniper rifle who would also be skilled at evading law enforcement.

Trump's defiant gesture was pure lizard brain reflex from someone who values image over all.

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Maria Angelova's avatar

And it was a very important message indeed!

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Sandy's avatar

Here’s why, in spite of all the weirdness, I don’t think it was staged: that bullet came awfully close…

#Trump #TrumpAssasinationAttempt #Project2025

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Joanna Cazden's avatar

what do you (Rick / anyone) think of a unity ticket / Kamala Harris & Adam Kinsinger ? Something that dramatic would grab the momentum back from crazyland, and Rep. K has got serious credentials ...

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Bob McKeown's avatar

Oh, no way. Kinzinger is a great defender of democracy but he's an ideological conservative (have you ever heard him talk policy? He disagrees with most things Biden stands for) and this would alienate the Democratic coalition. We'd lose organized labor and that's only the start of it.

There are just not enough cable watching Never Trumpers to make making Never Trumpers perfectly happy the point of the campaign.

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Bob McKeown's avatar

We're still in the dark about this kid's motive and ideology. On my substack, I speculated that maybe he's a Never Trumper (perhaps rebelling against his MAGA parents?) but that's too glib. He must've known this was a suicide mission and people who choose to die for a political reason usually have a massively encrusted ideology. But there's no manifesto and practically no social media presence.

To follow Rick's broken young man theory and call it pure nihilism, it's hard to see this as a target of opportunity. There are plenty of shopping malls, parks, entertainment venues if he wanted to do the mass shooter thing. For that matter, why didn't he just spray Trump's crowd with bullets? He clearly intended to kill Trump and the three other victims were collateral damage from missed shots.

If he was a Never Trumper, if he loathed Trump and thought he was such a danger to the republic he needed to be taken out, why does no one in his orbit know of this? If he was just another sicko mass shooter whose personal motives are practically irrelevant, why go through all the trouble at the rally?

This is driving me a little nuts ...

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Kay G's avatar

From what Rick wrote yesterday, I think the shooter just wanted to become “famous”. He was a registered Republican but, maybe that was part of “trying to belong to male oriented MAGA” but he wasn’t that thrilled with Trump after all the stuff that’s come out on Donnie dearest. So, with access to the rally and access to a firearm, the guy devised a plan to go down in the history books - and he succeeded. His name and picture are everywhere and Trump has even more press!

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Bob McKeown's avatar

He must've known that he had a 99% chance of committing suicide-by-Secret-Service and furthermore, he had no idea how easy it would be to scale that building and remain unmolested (if not undetected) by law enforcement long enough to get his shots off. We don't know exactly what happened yet, but it seems certain there was a massive security failure, the Secret Service blaming the local cops, the local cops saying the Secret Service had the rooftops covered. So he must've thought at the outset that he had a very small chance of pulling it off before being either shot first or roughed up badly and taken into custody. If the guy just wanted to go out in the proverbial blaze of glory, why not just shoot up a shopping mall? Why take such an enormous chance to off Donald Trump?

The only pure nutcase who shot a president was John Hinckley, who shot Ronald Reagan to impress Jodie Foster. Every other presidential assassin and would-be assassin have been hardcore ideologues. But this guy leaves nothing like the footprint of an ideologue. So Rick is leaving it with the broken young man theory but I'm not quite satisfied with that. He took enormous risks for something with very little chance pulling it off. That implies some kind of concrete motive to specifically shoot Donald Trump. But what motive is that?

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Alexandra Barcus's avatar

I found a theme song for JD Vance—“Rent” by the Pet Shop Boys.

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Bob McKeown's avatar

We need a palate cleanser right now. I'm not the biggest fan of New Wave, but this is a great song. I think the chorus should've been in 7/8 instead of 4/4 but that's ... me ;)

MELT THE GUNS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPWEiqHVFGI

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Laurie Flamino's avatar

Well done Rick. Now is not the time to quiet legitimate political discourse. Trump is a menacing con, a dictator wannabe by his own words. We have our constitution to defend along with equality before the law. Violence is not the means to that end. We must condemn it. But that does not mean to be quieted by those who would make a mockery of representative democracy.

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Bob McKeown's avatar

Keith O is spittin' fire on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghUU3au-OuY

Rick, my brother in arms, I'm gonna argue with you on this. I am one of those liberals who blames it on guns. I think I am right and I think you are wrong and I've got tons of backup for my position.

I am so sick to death of the broken young men narrative. It's a global problem and its causes are overdetermined. To me, it sounds like "thoughts and prayers." You know where there's a lot of broken young men, Rick? France. France is an unwinding former colonial empire. European politics is a heckuva lot more ideological than American politics; in France they have a Communist party that's not fringe, but that participates in coalition governments. Every blessed election in France, protesters battle it out with police in the streets. And guess what? NOBODY GETS SHOT. Gee, I wonder why.

Australia, like the US, is a frontier society. Its wilderness is much more forbidding than our own, with lethal critters that embarrass those in Texas and Florida. Every reason in the world for citizens on the fringes of this wilderness to own long guns for self-protection. Then the Port Arthur massacre happened and the Australian government changed its gun laws with a buyback and amnesty program for people to turn in their semiautomatic long guns. Aussie political culture is very much like our own, with a high value on freedom and self-reliance. But somehow they didn't freak out about this. The Christchurch massacre in New Zealand happened and Jacinda Ardern did the same thing.

Tristan Snell was beginning to drill down on this when Rick interrupted him to give his usual defensive response whenever this issue comes up. _Rick's_ guns are as secure as Fort Knox. Well duh, Rick, you're everybody's beau ideal of the responsible gun owner. But it's like a driver who points to his spotless driving record and demands to own a car without seat belts and air bags. Rules aren't designed for the exception; they're designed for the mean. And most gun owners just aren't as relentlessly well-trained and knowledgeable about guns and gun use as Rick Wilson.

I don't know if Joe's desire to ban "assault weapons" (assault-style semiautomatic long guns) again is workable. It surely isn't workable without a buyback as there are so many of these damn things in circulation -- many more than in the 90s before the militia movement got off the ground. I don't even know if that would be the best solution. I favor licensing gun owners and registering weapons, with an internal signature that can't be erased without melting the receiver, and I'm sure that's technically possible now. I certainly don't want to take Rick's Glocks and Sig Sauers away, which he very clearly needs for self-defense in an ever-expanding threat environment; Rick is more than qualified to handle them. But I certainly share Chief Justice Burger's analysis that the Second Amendment is to give states priority over the federal government for civil defense within their borders, and I reject in the strongest terms Scalia's ahistorical and atextual neutering of the amendment's first clause. The NRA's argument that gun registration is only the first step to government tyranny is the same bogus slippery slope argument that says same sex marriage is only the first step to old ladies marrying their cats.

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Cat Cafe's avatar

Very well put and very well expressed, Bob.

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Bob McKeown's avatar

Well, and I love kitties, too ;) Thanks.

Rick is a peerless tactical mind and an invaluable asset for our side as well as being an all-around good guy. As much as I'd hate to admit it, he's probably more right on the politics of guns than I am. But this issue, to me, is such a colossal no-brainer.

Every country in the developed world is teeming with broken young men. The reasons for this could fill a volume.

But only the US has a problem with gun violence that puts us next to Somalia.

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Cat Cafe's avatar

Yes. I say this all the time. (I started as Cat Cafe on some innocuous site and then just got exhausted at the thought of having to come up with a new moniker, haha. I was "Dr. Ohm (unit of resistance)" on Twitter for a while, but haven't been on there since Elon took over.

I agree with you about Rick--he's a great tactical mind and wonderfully direct. But I think far too many people turn a blind eye to the incredibly obvious reason we have so much gun violence.

I always say this: my husband and I were in Paris during an actual terrorist attack and I still felt safer than I ever feel in the U.S. (The terrorist attack was confined to one area, and immediately dealt with; meanwhile, of course, the Parisians continued to go about their early-evening activities, Gauloises figuratively dangling from their blase lips, no one changed a single thing other than the one area being cordoned off. People sat in cafes, did errands, went to dinner.) I never had to worry that some random person, broken or otherwise, would gun me down.

Even here in deep blue California, it's something you have to be aware of literally all the time. I think too many Americans are so inured to it that they have forgotten that it truly doesn't have to be like this.

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Bob McKeown's avatar

Totally agree. The rationalizations around an issue so simple at its core are so thick, the deflections (broken young men, family values, secularism, etc.) so automatic that it's like auto-induced Stockholm syndrome.

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Bob McKeown's avatar

Mental health is (to use the Brit slang) the bog standard deflection pro gunners use every time (all-too-bloody often) an incident like this happens. It kind of bugs me because I think this is special pleading on Rick's part. He's an avid firearms enthusiast and has invested countless thousands (tens of thousands) of dollars in his hobby. He not only has multiple gun safes, he has a gun room with a lock keyed with his thumbprint. This is _well_ beyond the pocketbook of the middle class dad of Thomas Crooks. I think his theory of the case about Crooks' motives may well turn out to be right, that like John Hinckley and Arthur Bremer, his motives weren't primarily political, although it's still possible he wanted to kick off a civil war that the right would win because they have most of the guns, but we won't know until the FBI reveals what they've been talking to his parents (both mental health professionals, sheesh) about.

But if you look at it through the lens of assault-style semiautomatic rifles and who should be allowed to own and carry them, the motive kind of fades away into irrelevance, doesn't it.

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Bob McKeown's avatar

Yep, both therapists. Holy crap, indeed.

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Ashley Warrenton-Smith's avatar

Thank you, Rick. My husband and I deeply appreciate your courage and clarity. You continue to be a Light in the darkness. ♥️

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Cori G's avatar

Look up > The Violence Prevention Project at Hamline University (St. Paul, MN). Their landmark study looks at the life history of shooters (massive database). On- point is your concern about the trauma history of young men. 97% of mass shooters are male. They tend to suffer from early childhood trauma (often bullied and had exposure to violence), they lack coping skills, they usually have an identifiable grievance or crisis point, they study actions of past shooters, and they have means (often access to a family member’s weapons). We need to support the healthy development of young kids, identify when they need support, and understand this is a multifaceted problem.

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